{"id":1539,"date":"2021-02-24T00:41:57","date_gmt":"2021-02-23T23:41:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/?p=1539"},"modified":"2021-02-24T00:58:22","modified_gmt":"2021-02-23T23:58:22","slug":"182-maus-dans-lhistoire-de-la-bd-et-lhistoriographie-de-la-shoah-avec-tal-bruttmann","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/index.php\/2021\/02\/24\/182-maus-dans-lhistoire-de-la-bd-et-lhistoriographie-de-la-shoah-avec-tal-bruttmann\/","title":{"rendered":"182. Maus dans l&#8217;histoire de la BD et l&#8217;historiographie de la Shoah, avec Tal Bruttmann"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fparolesdhistoire%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fparolesdhistoire%2Fmaus.mp3&amp;modern=1&amp;podcast_link=https%3A%2F%2Fparolesdhistoire.fr%2Findex.php%2F2021%2F02%2F24%2F182-maus-dans-lhistoire-de-la-bd-et-lhistoriographie-de-la-shoah-avec-tal-bruttmann%2F#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/content.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/maus.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/?powerpress_pinw=1539-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/content.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/maus.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"maus.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">S'abonner :  <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/fr\/podcast\/paroles-dhistoire\/id1376002842?l=en&amp;mt=2&amp;ls=1#episodeGuid=http%3A%2F%2Fparolesdhistoire.fr%2F%3Fp%3D1539\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_itunes\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Apple Podcasts\" rel=\"nofollow\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/57zBA3htpYUB4MJNhhlDnn\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribeonandroid.com\/feeds.audiomeans.fr\/feed\/c3e6abea-2254-416a-b8ef-0619098d0e45.xml\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_android\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Android\" rel=\"nofollow\">Android<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.deezer.com\/en\/show\/1000680512\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_deezer\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Deezer\" rel=\"nofollow\">Deezer<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/feeds.audiomeans.fr\/feed\/c3e6abea-2254-416a-b8ef-0619098d0e45.xml\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/index.php\/sabonner\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p><p><strong>L&#8217;invit\u00e9:<\/strong> Tal Bruttmann, historien, sp\u00e9cialiste de la Shoah<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/couv-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-1540\" src=\"http:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/02\/couv-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"189\" height=\"267\" \/><\/a><strong>Le livre:<\/strong> Art Spiegelman, <em>Maus<\/em>, NY, Pantheon Books, 1986-1991<\/p>\n<p><strong>La discussion:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>La premi\u00e8re rencontre avec <em>Maus<\/em>, \u00e0 la fin des ann\u00e9es 1980 (1:30)<\/li>\n<li>La vie d\u2019Art Spiegelman, auteur et \u00e9diteur de comics avant <em>Maus<\/em> (2:50)<\/li>\n<li>Le contexte de cr\u00e9ation de <em>Maus<\/em>, au moment o\u00f9 le feuilleton <em>Holocauste<\/em> est diffus\u00e9 \u00e0 la t\u00e9l\u00e9vision am\u00e9ricaine (4:30)<\/li>\n<li>Un livre d\u2019une grande complexit\u00e9, \u00e0 l\u2019oppos\u00e9 de l\u2019\u00ab\u00a0Holokitsch\u00a0\u00bb (7:40)<\/li>\n<li>Les recherches pr\u00e9paratoires d\u2019Art Spiegelman, fond\u00e9es sur des enregistrements de conversations avec son p\u00e8re, et la consultation de dessins et d\u2019ouvrages (10:00)<\/li>\n<li>Le dessin, source pour l\u2019histoire, dans ce travail de documentation et pour <em>Ma us<\/em> (13:00)<\/li>\n<li>Les difficult\u00e9s de publication de Spiegelman (14:00)<\/li>\n<li>Les incertitudes de la r\u00e9ception\u00a0: \u00ab\u00a0fiction\u00a0\u00bb ou \u00ab\u00a0non-fiction\u00a0\u00bb\u00a0? quelle l\u00e9gitimit\u00e9 pour la BD comme repr\u00e9sentation de l\u2019histoire\u00a0? (17:45)<\/li>\n<li>Un livre qui n\u2019est pas seulement consacr\u00e9 \u00e0 la Shoah, mais aussi et surtout sur la transmission familiale, avec une mise en abyme du t\u00e9moignage, et un r\u00e9cit de \u00ab\u00a0seconde g\u00e9n\u00e9ration\u00a0\u00bb \u00a0(22:40)<\/li>\n<li>Un trait \u00ab\u00a0tenu\u00a0\u00bb du d\u00e9but \u00e0 la fin de l\u2019\u0153uvre (26:00)<\/li>\n<li>Un livre qui n\u2019embellit pas la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 ni le t\u00e9moin (27:00)<\/li>\n<li>Un travail qui montre de fa\u00e7on rare les conditions de recueil du t\u00e9moignage (29:00)<\/li>\n<li><strong><em>Extrait audio\u00a0: Vladek Spiegelman t\u00e9moigne (31:00)<\/em><\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Le parcours singulier de Vladek et Anja durant la Seconde Guerre mondiale (32:00)<\/li>\n<li>Le caract\u00e8re \u00ab\u00a0transactionnel\u00a0\u00bb de la survie durant la Shoah dans le r\u00e9cit de Vladek Spiegelman (38:00)<\/li>\n<li>Les langues de <em>Maus<\/em>\u00a0: anglais, allemand, yiddish, polonais\u2026 (40:00)<\/li>\n<li>Le choix de repr\u00e9senter les Juifs en souris, et le caract\u00e8re \u00ab\u00a0reconnaissable\u00a0\u00bb des Juifs en Pologne (42:30)<\/li>\n<li>La question des choix, et des dilemmes pour les protagonistes dans l\u2019incertitude des protagonistes (45:00)<\/li>\n<li>Les choix graphiques de <em>Maus<\/em>\u00a0: animaux, bichromie\u2026 en lien avec la culture graphique d\u2019Art Spiegelman (48:00)<\/li>\n<li>la position particuli\u00e8re de <em>Maus<\/em> dans les d\u00e9bats sur la repr\u00e9sentation de la Shoah, et ses sources visuelles (51:00)<\/li>\n<li>la plasiticit\u00e9 du medium BD (57:00)<\/li>\n<li>un \u00ab\u00a0avant\u00a0\u00bb et un \u00ab\u00a0apr\u00e8s\u00a0\u00bb <em>Maus<\/em> dans la repr\u00e9sentation de la Shoah en BD (1:02:00)<\/li>\n<li>Conseils de lecture (1:04:00)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Albums cit\u00e9s dans l&#8217;entretien (par ordre chronologique):<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Pierre-Edmond Calvo, Victor Dancette &amp; Jacques Zimmermann, <em>La B\u00eate est morte ! Fascicule premier. Quand la b\u00eate est d\u00e9cha\u00een\u00e9e<\/em>, Paris, Editions GP, 1944<\/li>\n<li>Will Eisner, <em>A contract with God : and other tenement stories<\/em>, New York , Baronet, 1978.<\/li>\n<li>Frank Miller, <em>Batman: The Dark Knight Returns<\/em>, DC Comics, miniseries (4), February-June 1986.<\/li>\n<li>Alan Moore &amp; Dave Gibbons, <em>Watchmen<\/em>, DC Comics, limited series (12) September 1986-October 1987.<\/li>\n<li>Joe Kubert, <em>Yossel. April 19, 1943: a story of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising<\/em>, New York: Ibooks : Distributed by Simon &amp; Schuster, 2003.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Bibliographie s\u00e9lective:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Tal Bruttmann, \u00ab The Holocaust through Comic Books \u00bb in Aukje Kluge et Benn E. Williams (eds.), <em>Re-examining the holocaust through literature<\/em>, Newcastle upon Tyne, Cambridge Scholars Pub., 2009, p. 173-200.<\/li>\n<li>Mary S. Costanza, <em>The Living Witness: Art in the Concentration Camps and Ghettos<\/em>, New York, Free Press, 1982.Deborah R. Geis (ed), <em>Considering Maus : approaches to Art Spiegelman\u2019s &#8220;Survivor\u2019s tale&#8221; of the Holocaust<\/em>, Tuscaloosa, University of Alabama Press, 2003.<\/li>\n<li>Anne H\u00e9l\u00e8ne Hoog, Didier Pasamonik et Edward Portnoy, <em>De Superman au Chat du rabbin. Bande dessin\u00e9e et m\u00e9moires juives<\/em>, Paris, Mus\u00e9e d&#8217;art et d&#8217;histoire du juda\u00efsme, 2007<\/li>\n<li>Serge Klarsfeld (ed.), <em>David Ol\u00e8re: un peintre au sonderkommando \u00e0 Auschwitz<\/em>, New York, The Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, 1989.<\/li>\n<li>Agnieszka Sieradzka, <em>Le Carnet de croquis d\u2019Auschwitz<\/em>, Oswiecim, Mus\u00e9e d\u2019\u00c9tat d\u2019Auschwitz-Birkenau, 2014.<\/li>\n<li>Art Spiegelman, <em>Metamaus<\/em>, Pantheon Books, 2011<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Conseils de lecture:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Jos\u00e9-Luis Bocquet et Arno, <em>Anton Six<\/em>, Paris, Albin Michel, 1987.<\/li>\n<li>Miriam Katin, <em>Seules contre tous<\/em>, Paris, Seuil, 2006.<\/li>\n<li>Greg Pak et Carmine Di Giandomenico, <em>Magneto : Le testament<\/em>, 2009<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>L&#8217;invit\u00e9: Tal Bruttmann, historien, sp\u00e9cialiste de la Shoah Le livre: Art Spiegelman, Maus, NY, Pantheon Books, 1986-1991 La discussion: La premi\u00e8re rencontre avec Maus, \u00e0 la fin des ann\u00e9es 1980 (1:30) La vie d\u2019Art Spiegelman, auteur et \u00e9diteur de comics avant Maus (2:50) Le contexte de cr\u00e9ation de Maus, au moment o\u00f9 le feuilleton Holocauste &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/index.php\/2021\/02\/24\/182-maus-dans-lhistoire-de-la-bd-et-lhistoriographie-de-la-shoah-avec-tal-bruttmann\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;182. 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