{"id":1663,"date":"2021-05-18T03:48:49","date_gmt":"2021-05-18T01:48:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/?p=1663"},"modified":"2021-05-18T11:16:51","modified_gmt":"2021-05-18T09:16:51","slug":"1663","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/index.php\/2021\/05\/18\/1663\/","title":{"rendered":"196. Quel avenir pour les archives class\u00e9es &#8220;secret d\u00e9fense&#8221; ? avec C\u00e9line Guyon, Herv\u00e9 Grandjean et Thomas Vaisset"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fparolesdhistoire%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fparolesdhistoire%2F196_archives.mp3&amp;modern=1&amp;podcast_link=https%3A%2F%2Fparolesdhistoire.fr%2Findex.php%2F2021%2F05%2F18%2F1663%2F#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/content.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/196_archives.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/?powerpress_pinw=1663-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/content.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/196_archives.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"196_archives.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">S'abonner :  <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/fr\/podcast\/paroles-dhistoire\/id1376002842?l=en&amp;mt=2&amp;ls=1#episodeGuid=http%3A%2F%2Fparolesdhistoire.fr%2F%3Fp%3D1663\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_itunes\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Apple Podcasts\" rel=\"nofollow\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/57zBA3htpYUB4MJNhhlDnn\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribeonandroid.com\/feeds.audiomeans.fr\/feed\/c3e6abea-2254-416a-b8ef-0619098d0e45.xml\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_android\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Android\" rel=\"nofollow\">Android<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.deezer.com\/en\/show\/1000680512\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_deezer\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Deezer\" rel=\"nofollow\">Deezer<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/feeds.audiomeans.fr\/feed\/c3e6abea-2254-416a-b8ef-0619098d0e45.xml\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/index.php\/sabonner\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p><p><em>Une \u00e9mission cor\u00e9alis\u00e9e avec Alexandre Jubelin du podcast <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irsem.fr\/le-collimateur.html\">Le Collimateur<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Les invit\u00e9-e-s\u00a0:<\/strong> C\u00e9line Guyon, archiviste et pr\u00e9sidente de l\u2019Association des archivistes de France\u00a0; Thomas Vaisset, ma\u00eetre de conf\u00e9rences en histoire contemporaine \u00e0 l\u2019Universit\u00e9 du Havre\u00a0; Herv\u00e9 Grandjean, porte-parole du minist\u00e8re des Arm\u00e9es<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/cxLy1uvo_DsFlp15.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-1664\" src=\"http:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/cxLy1uvo_DsFlp15-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/cxLy1uvo_DsFlp15-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/cxLy1uvo_DsFlp15-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/cxLy1uvo_DsFlp15-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/cxLy1uvo_DsFlp15-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/05\/cxLy1uvo_DsFlp15.jpg 1080w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 85vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><strong>Le th\u00e8me\u00a0:<\/strong> les restrictions d\u2019acc\u00e8s aux archives contemporaines li\u00e9es \u00e0 l\u2019IGI 1300 (expliqu\u00e9es dans <a href=\"http:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/index.php\/2020\/02\/28\/93-lacces-aux-archives-contemporaines-en-question-avec-isabelle-neuschwander-et-maurice-vaisse\/\">cette \u00e9mission<\/a>) et les perspectives d\u2019\u00e9volution l\u00e9gislatives<\/p>\n<p><strong>La discussion\u00a0:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Le cadre g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de l\u2019acc\u00e8s aux archives et des d\u00e9lais de consultation de certains documents (4:30)<\/li>\n<li>Les raisons des modifications r\u00e9centes d\u2019acc\u00e8s aux archives, \u00e0 travers l\u2019IGI 1300 (6:50)<\/li>\n<li>Les cons\u00e9quences concr\u00e8tes de ce durcissement pour la recherche depuis le 1<sup>er<\/sup> janvier 2020 (11:00)<\/li>\n<li>Les mesures prises afin de rem\u00e9dier en partie au blocage, dont la d\u00e9classification au carton (16:00), et leurs limites dont l\u2019interdiction de photographier (20:30)<\/li>\n<li>Le probl\u00e8me de la classification et des \u00e9tiquetages parfois r\u00e9trospectifs, le \u00ab\u00a0secret d\u00e9fense\u00a0\u00bb n\u2019ayant pas exist\u00e9 \u00e0 toutes les \u00e9poques (23:00)<\/li>\n<li>Quel syst\u00e8me imaginer pour concilier imp\u00e9ratifs du secret et acc\u00e8s aux archives, en tenant compte des acquis et des vertus du Code du Patrimoine vot\u00e9 en 2008\u00a0? (27:00)<\/li>\n<li>La situation des proc\u00e9dures et recours devant le Conseil d\u2019\u00c9tat (30:45)<\/li>\n<li>Les comparaisons internationales en termes d\u2019acc\u00e8s aux archives (34:00)<\/li>\n<li>Le secret de la d\u00e9fense nationale, un secret qui se p\u00e9rime en r\u00e9alit\u00e9 plus vite qu\u2019on ne pense (38:00)<\/li>\n<li>La gestion du \u00ab\u00a0cycle de vie\u00a0\u00bb de la classification (40:30)<\/li>\n<li>Peut-on mieux ou moins classifier\u00a0? (42:00)<\/li>\n<li>La perspective d\u2019un nouveau texte de loi sur les archives (44:40)<\/li>\n<li>Quelle \u00e9volution dans les services de l\u2019\u00c9tat dans le rapport \u00e0 la recherche\u00a0? (50:00)<\/li>\n<li>Quelles seraient les proc\u00e9dures ou \u00e9volutions vertueuses dans l\u2019acc\u00e8s aux archives\u00a0? (52:00)<\/li>\n<li>Quelle place pour les citoyennes et les citoyens dans le rapport aux archives\u00a0? (55:20)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Pour aller plus loin:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/index.php\/2020\/02\/28\/93-lacces-aux-archives-contemporaines-en-question-avec-isabelle-neuschwander-et-maurice-vaisse\/\">entretien avec Maurice Va\u00efsse et Isabelle Neuschwander<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.mediapart.fr\/journal\/france\/140521\/guerre-d-algerie-un-historien-militaire-poursuivi-pour-violation-du-secret-defense?utm_source=twitter&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_campaign=Sharing&amp;xtor=CS3-67\">article<\/a> sur un historien poursuivi pour violation du secret d\u00e9fense<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/esprit.presse.fr\/actualites\/olivier-forcade-et-sebastien-yves-laurent-et-bertrand-warusfel\/archives-et-politiques-du-secret-43372\">tribune<\/a> sur le secret d\u00e9fense par Olivier Forcade, S\u00e9bastien-Yves Laurent et Bertrand Warusfel<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Une \u00e9mission cor\u00e9alis\u00e9e avec Alexandre Jubelin du podcast Le Collimateur Les invit\u00e9-e-s\u00a0: C\u00e9line Guyon, archiviste et pr\u00e9sidente de l\u2019Association des archivistes de France\u00a0; Thomas Vaisset, ma\u00eetre de conf\u00e9rences en histoire contemporaine \u00e0 l\u2019Universit\u00e9 du Havre\u00a0; Herv\u00e9 Grandjean, porte-parole du minist\u00e8re des Arm\u00e9es Le th\u00e8me\u00a0: les restrictions d\u2019acc\u00e8s aux archives contemporaines li\u00e9es \u00e0 l\u2019IGI 1300 (expliqu\u00e9es &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/index.php\/2021\/05\/18\/1663\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;196. 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