{"id":2029,"date":"2022-05-30T23:14:41","date_gmt":"2022-05-30T21:14:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/?p=2029"},"modified":"2022-05-31T17:52:46","modified_gmt":"2022-05-31T15:52:46","slug":"250-la-rafle-du-vel-dhiv-avec-laurent-joly","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/index.php\/2022\/05\/30\/250-la-rafle-du-vel-dhiv-avec-laurent-joly\/","title":{"rendered":"250. La rafle du &#8220;Vel d&#8217;hiv&#8221;, avec Laurent Joly"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fparolesdhistoire%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fparolesdhistoire%2F250_joly_rafle.mp3&amp;modern=1&amp;podcast_link=https%3A%2F%2Fparolesdhistoire.fr%2Findex.php%2F2022%2F05%2F30%2F250-la-rafle-du-vel-dhiv-avec-laurent-joly%2F#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/content.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/250_joly_rafle.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/?powerpress_pinw=2029-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/content.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/250_joly_rafle.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"250_joly_rafle.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">S'abonner :  <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/fr\/podcast\/paroles-dhistoire\/id1376002842?l=en&amp;mt=2&amp;ls=1#episodeGuid=http%3A%2F%2Fparolesdhistoire.fr%2F%3Fp%3D2029\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_itunes\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Apple Podcasts\" rel=\"nofollow\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/57zBA3htpYUB4MJNhhlDnn\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribeonandroid.com\/feeds.audiomeans.fr\/feed\/c3e6abea-2254-416a-b8ef-0619098d0e45.xml\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_android\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Android\" rel=\"nofollow\">Android<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.deezer.com\/en\/show\/1000680512\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_deezer\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Deezer\" rel=\"nofollow\">Deezer<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/feeds.audiomeans.fr\/feed\/c3e6abea-2254-416a-b8ef-0619098d0e45.xml\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/index.php\/sabonner\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p><p><strong>L\u2019invit\u00e9\u00a0: <\/strong>Laurent Joly, directeur de recherche au CNRS<\/p>\n<p><strong> <a href=\"http:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/9782246827795-001-T.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-2030\" src=\"http:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/9782246827795-001-T-206x300.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"206\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/9782246827795-001-T-206x300.jpeg 206w, https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/05\/9782246827795-001-T.jpeg 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 206px) 85vw, 206px\" \/><\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Le livre\u00a0: <\/strong><em>La rafle du Vel d\u2019Hiv. Paris, juillet 1942<\/em>, Paris, Grasset, 2022.<\/p>\n<p><strong>La discussion:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Introduction (00:00)<\/li>\n<li>La place marquante de la rafle du \u00ab\u00a0Vel d\u2019Hiv\u00a0\u00bb dans l\u2019histoire (01:00)<\/li>\n<li>Les diff\u00e9rentes strates historiographiques ayant abord\u00e9 l\u2019\u00e9v\u00e9nement (4:00)<\/li>\n<li>Un \u00e9v\u00e9nement central mais sur lequel des id\u00e9es fausses circulent encore (6:40)<\/li>\n<li>Les sources polici\u00e8res et leurs lacunes (10:00)<\/li>\n<li>Le fichier des \u00ab\u00a0agents capteurs\u00a0\u00bb, document manquant (16:00)<\/li>\n<li>La place donn\u00e9e aux victimes dans l\u2019\u00e9criture du livre (17:30)<\/li>\n<li>Les logiques qui sont \u00e0 l\u2019origine de la rafle (24:00)<\/li>\n<li>La politique Laval-Bousquet (26:00) et sa violation du droit (27:30)<\/li>\n<li>Les fausses \u00ab\u00a0exemptions\u00a0\u00bb agissant comme des \u00ab\u00a0soupapes morales\u00a0\u00bb (29:00)<\/li>\n<li>La pr\u00e9carit\u00e9 mat\u00e9rielle qui fragilise les victimes de la rafle (31:30)<\/li>\n<li>Le paradoxe d\u2019un \u00e9v\u00e9nement meurtrier, de mani\u00e8re massive, mais qui \u00e9choue dans ses objectifs (33:35)<\/li>\n<li>L\u2019exp\u00e9rience concr\u00e8te de la rafle et son organisation polici\u00e8re (38:10)<\/li>\n<li>L\u2019ob\u00e9issance routini\u00e8re de policiers, en d\u00e9pit de marges de man\u0153uvre (41:00)<\/li>\n<li>Le chaos indescriptible qui suit la rafle et les conditions atroces qui en r\u00e9sultent, dont la s\u00e9paration des enfants et leur d\u00e9portation (44:00)<\/li>\n<li>La \u00ab\u00a0rafle apr\u00e8s la rafle\u00a0\u00bb de l\u2019\u00e9t\u00e9 1942 \u00e0 1944 (46:30)<\/li>\n<li>L\u2019unique photo de la rafle et son histoire (51:00)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><strong>Les conseils de lecture et les ouvrages cit\u00e9s dans l\u2019\u00e9mission\u00a0:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Claude L\u00e9vy et Paul Tillard, <em>La grande rafle du vel d\u2019hiv<\/em>, Paris, Robert Laffont, 1967.<\/li>\n<li>Serge Klarsfeld, <em>Vichy-Auschwitz. Le r\u00f4le de Vichy dans la \u00ab solution finale \u00bb de la question juive en France. 1942<\/em>, Paris, Fayard, 1983<\/li>\n<li>Georges Horan-Koiransky, <em>Journal d\u2019un intern\u00e9. Drancy 1942-1943<\/em>, Ivry, Cr\u00e9aphis, 2017\u00a0; <em>\u2019Le camp de Drancy, seuil de l\u2019enfer juif\u2019\u2019 .Dessins et estampes 1942-1947<\/em>, Ivry, Cr\u00e9aphis, 2017.<\/li>\n<li>Lise Foisneau, <em>Les nomades face \u00e0 la guerre, 1939-1946<\/em>, Paris, Kincksieck, 2022.<\/li>\n<li>Alexandre Doulut, <em>La d\u00e9portation des juifs de France : changement d&#8217;\u00e9chelle<\/em>, th\u00e8se, universit\u00e9 Paris-I, 2021.<\/li>\n<li>Annette Muller, <em>La petite fille du Vel d\u2019hiv<\/em>, Deno\u00ebl, 1991.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>L\u2019invit\u00e9\u00a0: Laurent Joly, directeur de recherche au CNRS Le livre\u00a0: La rafle du Vel d\u2019Hiv. Paris, juillet 1942, Paris, Grasset, 2022. La discussion: Introduction (00:00) La place marquante de la rafle du \u00ab\u00a0Vel d\u2019Hiv\u00a0\u00bb dans l\u2019histoire (01:00) Les diff\u00e9rentes strates historiographiques ayant abord\u00e9 l\u2019\u00e9v\u00e9nement (4:00) Un \u00e9v\u00e9nement central mais sur lequel des id\u00e9es fausses circulent &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/index.php\/2022\/05\/30\/250-la-rafle-du-vel-dhiv-avec-laurent-joly\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;250. 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