{"id":2061,"date":"2022-08-22T03:09:39","date_gmt":"2022-08-22T01:09:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/?p=2061"},"modified":"2022-08-22T12:49:44","modified_gmt":"2022-08-22T10:49:44","slug":"254-lhistoire-de-la-guerre-despagne-face-aux-falsifications-avec-pierre-salmon-et-mercedes-yusta-rodrigo","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/index.php\/2022\/08\/22\/254-lhistoire-de-la-guerre-despagne-face-aux-falsifications-avec-pierre-salmon-et-mercedes-yusta-rodrigo\/","title":{"rendered":"254. L\u2019histoire de la guerre d\u2019Espagne face aux falsifications, avec Pierre Salmon et Mercedes Yusta Rodrigo"},"content":{"rendered":"<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?media_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.blubrry.com%2Fparolesdhistoire%2Fcontent.blubrry.com%2Fparolesdhistoire%2F254_guerredespagne.mp3&amp;modern=1&amp;podcast_link=https%3A%2F%2Fparolesdhistoire.fr%2Findex.php%2F2022%2F08%2F22%2F254-lhistoire-de-la-guerre-despagne-face-aux-falsifications-avec-pierre-salmon-et-mercedes-yusta-rodrigo%2F#mode-Light&border-000000&progress-000000\" scrolling=\"no\" width=\"100%\" height=\"165\" frameborder=\"0\" id=\"blubrryplayer-1\" class=\"blubrryplayer\" title=\"Blubrry Podcast Player\"><\/iframe><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/content.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/254_guerredespagne.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/?powerpress_pinw=2061-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/content.blubrry.com\/parolesdhistoire\/254_guerredespagne.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"254_guerredespagne.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">S'abonner :  <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/fr\/podcast\/paroles-dhistoire\/id1376002842?l=en&amp;mt=2&amp;ls=1#episodeGuid=http%3A%2F%2Fparolesdhistoire.fr%2F%3Fp%3D2061\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_itunes\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Apple Podcasts\" rel=\"nofollow\">Apple Podcasts<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/57zBA3htpYUB4MJNhhlDnn\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_spotify\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Spotify\" rel=\"nofollow\">Spotify<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/subscribeonandroid.com\/feeds.audiomeans.fr\/feed\/c3e6abea-2254-416a-b8ef-0619098d0e45.xml\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_android\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Android\" rel=\"nofollow\">Android<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/www.deezer.com\/en\/show\/1000680512\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_deezer\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe on Deezer\" rel=\"nofollow\">Deezer<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/feeds.audiomeans.fr\/feed\/c3e6abea-2254-416a-b8ef-0619098d0e45.xml\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/index.php\/sabonner\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" id=\"bigpic\" title=\"Affiche, 1936, Vidal, Editions Tierra y Libertad, Barricades CNT FAI\" src=\"http:\/\/affiches-combattants-liberte.org\/910-large_default\/affiche-1936-vidal-editions-tierra-y-libertad-barricades-cnt-fai.jpg\" alt=\"Affiche, 1936, Vidal, Editions Tierra y Libertad, Barricades CNT FAI\" width=\"350\" height=\"350\" \/><br \/>\n<em>Affiche de Toni Vidal pour la CNT-FAI, 1936<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Les invit\u00e9<\/strong><strong>\u2027<\/strong><strong>e<\/strong><strong>\u2027<\/strong><strong>s\u00a0:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Pierre Salmon, ENS Ulm<\/li>\n<li>Mercedes Yusta Rodrigo, professeure \u00e0 l\u2019universit\u00e9 Paris-8<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Le th\u00e8me\u00a0:<\/strong> la guerre d\u2019Espagne et <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Le_Figaro\/status\/1557736595150757888\">la diffusion par le Figaro histoire<\/a> des th\u00e8ses n\u00e9ofranquistes de Pio Moa<\/p>\n<p><strong>La discussion:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Introduction (00:00)<\/li>\n<li>La pol\u00e9mique lanc\u00e9e \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9t\u00e9 2022 par le \u00ab\u00a0Figaro histoire\u00a0\u00bb (1:30)<\/li>\n<li>Qui est Pio Moa, pol\u00e9miste d\u2019extr\u00eame droite et faux historien\u00a0? (2:20)<\/li>\n<li>Un discours n\u00e9ofranquiste discr\u00e9dit\u00e9 en Espagne (4:00)<\/li>\n<li>Le contexte de publication: l\u2019essor m\u00e9diatique de lectures r\u00e9actionnaires de l\u2019histoire en Europe (6:35)<\/li>\n<li>Quel positionnement pour les historiens et historiennes de m\u00e9tier face aux mensonges et aux outrances\u00a0? (9:25)<\/li>\n<li>Attention: s\u2019opposer \u00e0 Pio Moa n\u2019est pas faire le r\u00e9cit enchant\u00e9 d\u2019une gauche espagnole non violente ou irr\u00e9prochable (12:30)<\/li>\n<li>La pr\u00e9sentation fallacieuse de Pio Moa comme ancien \u00ab\u00a0homme de gauche\u00a0\u00bb (16:40)<\/li>\n<li>D\u00e9cryptage de la vid\u00e9o en ligne d\u2019Isabelle Schmitz (20:15): la responsabilit\u00e9 pr\u00e9tendument \u00ab totale \u00bb de la gauche dans la guerre civile<\/li>\n<li>Calvo Sotelo, tout sauf un leader de la droite \u00ab\u00a0mod\u00e9r\u00e9e\u00a0\u00bb (22:45)<\/li>\n<li>L\u2019influence de Staline grossi\u00e8rement exag\u00e9r\u00e9e (25:10)<\/li>\n<li>Le coup d\u2019\u00e9tat nationaliste de juillet 1936 pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 fallacieusement comme \u00ab\u00a0l\u00e9gitime d\u00e9fense\u00a0\u00bb (27:30)<\/li>\n<li>Le pr\u00e9tendu positivisme de Pio Moa et sa nullit\u00e9 m\u00e9thodologique (29:45)<\/li>\n<li>Le n\u00e9gationnisme pur et simple: le massacre de Badajoz et les violences nationalistes (32:00)<\/li>\n<li>L\u2019incroyable r\u00e9gression historiographique que tout cela repr\u00e9sente, apr\u00e8s l\u2019\u00e9tablissement des faits dans les ann\u00e9es 1980-1990 (34:30)<\/li>\n<li>Pourquoi le discours n\u00e9ofranquiste trouve un \u00e9cho dans la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 espagnole\u00a0? (38:30)<\/li>\n<li>Les autorit\u00e9s espagnoles et l\u2019histoire de la guerre, avec la loi de 2007 dite de \u00ab\u00a0m\u00e9moire historique\u00a0\u00bb (41:50)<\/li>\n<li>L\u2019amnistie de 1977 en question (47:00)<\/li>\n<li>Suggestions bibliographiques (48:40)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Note s\u00e9mantique<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Le terme \u00ab\u00a0r\u00e9visionnisme\u00a0\u00bb utilis\u00e9 \u00e0 plusieurs reprises dans l\u2019entretien vient du fait qu\u2019il d\u00e9signe, dans le contexte espagnol, une lecture fauss\u00e9e de l\u2019histoire de la guerre d\u2019Espagne allant \u00e0 l\u2019encontre du consensus scientifique. Longtemps employ\u00e9 en France pour qualifier de fa\u00e7on erron\u00e9e les n\u00e9gationnistes de la Shoah, il est aujourd\u2019hui largement \u00e9cart\u00e9 dans la mesure o\u00f9 toute \u00e9criture de l\u2019histoire \u00ab\u00a0r\u00e9vise\u00a0\u00bb des certitudes ant\u00e9rieures, cf. \u00e9cole \u00ab\u00a0r\u00e9visionniste\u00a0\u00bb en histoire sovi\u00e9tique, et discussion \u00e0 (13:43).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bibliographie<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Pr\u00e9sentation historiographique<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Richard, \u00c9lodie, et Charlotte Vorms. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cairn.info\/revue-vingtieme-siecle-revue-d-histoire-2015-3-page-13.htm\">\u00ab Transition historiographique ? Retour sur quatre-vingts ans d\u2019histoire de l\u2019Espagne, de la Seconde R\u00e9publique \u00e0 la transition \u00bb<\/a>, <em>Vingti\u00e8me Si\u00e8cle. Revue d&#8217;histoire<\/em>, vol. 127, no. 3, 2015, pp. 13-41<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong><em>Sur la guerre civile et la r\u00e9pression<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Juli\u00e1n Casanova, <em>De la calle al frente: el anarcosindicalismo en Espa\u00f1a 1931 &#8211; 1939<\/em>, Barcelona, Cr\u00edtica, 1997, 265\u00a0p.<\/li>\n<li>Godicheau, Fran\u00e7ois. <em>La guerre d&#8217;Espagne: R\u00e9publique et r\u00e9volution en Catalogne (1936-1939)<\/em>. Odile Jacob, 2004.<\/li>\n<li>Godicheau, Fran\u00e7ois. <em>Les mots de la guerre d&#8217;Espagne<\/em>. Presses Univ. du Mirail, 2003.<\/li>\n<li>Gomez Bravo, Gutmaro,\u00a0<em>Geograf\u00eda humana de la represi\u00f3n franquista. Del golpe a la guerra de ocupaci\u00f3n (1936-1941)<\/em>, Madrid, C\u00e1tedra. 2017<\/li>\n<li>Bourderon Roger,\u00a0<em>La guerre d\u2019Espagne. L\u2019histoire, les lendemains, la m\u00e9moire, <\/em>Paris, Taillandier, 2007.<\/li>\n<li>Corrado, Danielle, et Viviane Alary, eds. <em>La Guerre d&#8217;Espagne en h\u00e9ritage: entre m\u00e9moire et oubli, de 1975 \u00e0 nos jours<\/em>. Presses Univ Blaise Pascal, 2007.<\/li>\n<li>Ledesma Jos\u00e9 Luis, \u00ab\u00a0Qu\u00e9 violencia para qu\u00e9 retaguardia o la Rep\u00fablica en guerra de 1936\u00a0\u00bb, <em>Ayer. Revista de Historia Contempor\u00e1nea<\/em>, 2009, vol.\u00a076, n<sup>o<\/sup>\u00a04, p. 83\u2011114.<\/li>\n<li>Richards, Michael. <em>A time of silence: civil war and the culture of repression in Franco&#8217;s Spain, 1936-1945<\/em>. Cambridge university press, 1998.<\/li>\n<li>Juli\u00e1, Santos (coord.),\u00a0<em>V\u00edctimas de la guerra civil, <\/em>Temas de Hoy, 1999<\/li>\n<li>Espinosa\u00a0Maestre, Francisco et al. (Coord.), <em>Violencia roja y azul. Espa\u00f1a 1936-1950, <\/em>Barcelona, Critica, 2010.<\/li>\n<li>Preston Paul, <em>The Spanish holocaust: inquisition and extermination in twentieth-century Spain<\/em>, Londres, HarperPress, 2012, 700\u00a0p.<\/li>\n<li>Graham Helen, <em>The Spanish Republic at War, 1936-1939<\/em>, Cambridge \/ New York, Cambridge University Press, 2002, 472\u00a0p. (existe aussi en espagnol)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong><em>Sur les femmes et la guerre civile:<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Nash Mary, <em>Rojas. Las mujeres republicanas en la guerra civil, <\/em>Barcelona,\u00a0Taurus, 1999.<\/li>\n<li>Sill, \u00c9douard, ed. <em>\u00a1 Solidarias!: Les volontaires \u00e9trang\u00e8res et la solidarit\u00e9 internationale f\u00e9minine durant la guerre d\u2019Espagne (1936-1939)<\/em>. Presses universitaires de Rennes, 2022.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong><em>Sur les communistes et l&#8217;Union sovi\u00e9tique en Espagne :<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Elorza Antonio et Bizcarrondo Marta, <em>Queridos camaradas: la Internacional Comunista y Espa\u00f1a\u202f; 1919 &#8211; 1939<\/em>, Barcelone, Planeta, 1999, 532\u00a0p.<\/li>\n<li>Hern\u00e1ndez S\u00e1nchez Fernando, <em>Guerra o revoluci\u00f3n: el Partido Comunista de Espa\u00f1a en la Guerra Civil<\/em>, Barcelone, Cr\u00edtica, 2010, 574\u00a0p.<\/li>\n<li>Kowalsky Daniel, <em>La Uni\u00f3n Sovi\u00e9tica y la Guerra Civil espa\u00f1ola\u202f: una revisi\u00f3n cr\u00edtica<\/em>, Barcelone, Cr\u00edtica, 2004, 534\u00a0p.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong><em>Sur le \u00ab\u00a0r\u00e9visionnisme\u00a0\u00bb en Espagne et en Europe :<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Forcadell, Carlos, Ignacio Peir\u00f3 y Mercedes Yusta (eds.), <em><a href=\"https:\/\/ifc.dpz.es\/recursos\/publicaciones\/34\/51\/_ebook.pdf\">El pasado en\u00a0construcci\u00f3n. Revisionismos hist\u00f3ricos en la Espa\u00f1a contempor\u00e1nea<\/a>, <\/em>Zaragoza,\u00a0Institution Fernando el Catolico, 2015<\/li>\n<li>Guien, Laura. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cairn.info\/revue-du-crieur-2018-1-page-20.htm\">\u00ab Les d\u00e9mons du franquisme. L\u2019Espagne aux prises avec le n\u00e9gationnisme \u00bb<\/a>, Revue du Crieur, vol. 9, no. 1, 2018, pp. 20-35.<\/li>\n<li>Reig Tapia, Alberto, <em>Anti Moa<\/em>, Ediciones B, 2006.<\/li>\n<li>S\u00e1nchez Le\u00f3n Pablo &amp; Izquierdo Mart\u00edn Jes\u00fas, <em>La guerra que nos han contado y la que no<\/em>. <em>Memoria e historia de 1936 para el siglo xxi<\/em>, Madrid, Postmetropolis Editorial, 2017, 432 pags.<\/li>\n<li>Vi\u00f1as, Angel, <a href=\"http:\/\/journals.openedition.org\/bulletinhispanique\/4207\">\u00ab\u00a0Sobre mitos y falacias de la Guerra Civil que a\u00fan persisten\u00a0\u00bb,\u00a0<\/a><em>Bulletin hispanique<\/em> [En ligne], 118-1\u00a0|\u00a02016.<\/li>\n<li>Vi\u00f1as, \u00c1ngel, <em>Las armas y el oro: palancas de la guerra, mitos del franquismo<\/em>, Barcelone, Pasado y Presente, 2013, 502\u00a0p.<\/li>\n<li>Yusta, Mercedes, <a href=\"https:\/\/legrandcontinent.eu\/fr\/2021\/12\/02\/lespagne-et-la-posterite-du-franquisme\/\">\u00ab\u00a0L\u2019Espagne et la post\u00e9rit\u00e9 du franquisme\u00a0\u00bb<\/a>, <em>Le Grand Continent<\/em>, 21\/12\/2021,<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Affiche de Toni Vidal pour la CNT-FAI, 1936 Les invit\u00e9\u2027e\u2027s\u00a0: Pierre Salmon, ENS Ulm Mercedes Yusta Rodrigo, professeure \u00e0 l\u2019universit\u00e9 Paris-8 Le th\u00e8me\u00a0: la guerre d\u2019Espagne et la diffusion par le Figaro histoire des th\u00e8ses n\u00e9ofranquistes de Pio Moa La discussion: Introduction (00:00) La pol\u00e9mique lanc\u00e9e \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9t\u00e9 2022 par le \u00ab\u00a0Figaro histoire\u00a0\u00bb (1:30) Qui &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/parolesdhistoire.fr\/index.php\/2022\/08\/22\/254-lhistoire-de-la-guerre-despagne-face-aux-falsifications-avec-pierre-salmon-et-mercedes-yusta-rodrigo\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;254. 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